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My AI Loan Broker Has Been Upgraded to Chat GPT-4
March 14, 2023Back in December I pasted copies of an exchange I had with an AI about brokering business loans. That was GPT-3. More recently I got access to GPT-4 and so I’ve asked it the same questions to see if the responses have changed. They have. They’re much longer, much more comprehensive, and for some reason laden with lists. Even though there’s a lot of text below, the advice it gives is pretty good.
Me: Imagine you’re a loan broker. you submit a customer’s application to a lender and the lender steals the application and brokers it to another lender, cutting you out of the deal. what do you do?
GPT-4:
1. Gather evidence: Document all relevant communication and interactions with the lender, including any agreements, emails, or phone call records that show you were the original broker for the deal.
2. Confront the lender: Communicate your concerns with the lender and give them an opportunity to explain their actions. It’s possible that there has been a misunderstanding or miscommunication that can be resolved through discussion.
3. Review your contract: If you have a contract with the lender, review its terms to see if they have breached any clauses related to your involvement in the deal. This may provide you with leverage during negotiations.
4. Seek legal advice: Consult with an attorney specializing in business or contract law to explore your legal options. They can help you assess your case and recommend the best course of action, such as sending a cease and desist letter, seeking mediation, or filing a lawsuit.
5. Notify the customer: Inform the customer of the situation, and advise them of any potential impact on their application or relationship with the new lender. Maintaining transparency and trust with your customer is crucial.
6. Strengthen future agreements: To prevent similar incidents in the future, consider revising your agreements with lenders to include specific clauses that protect your interests, such as non-circumvention or non-disclosure provisions.
6. Reevaluate your partnerships: Assess your relationships with lenders and consider working with more reputable and trustworthy partners in the future. Building a reliable network of partners is essential for the success of your brokerage business.
Remember that every situation is unique, and the appropriate course of action may depend on the specific circumstances and relationships involved.
Me: Imagine that you are a lender and that you are a member of an online commercial finance broker forum. you are hoping to secure the business of all the brokers on there but the problem is that a lot of other lenders are trying to do the same thing. what would you do to stand out?
GPT-4: To stand out as a lender in a competitive online commercial finance broker forum, consider implementing the following strategies:
1. Build credibility and trust: Share your expertise and knowledge by actively participating in forum discussions, providing valuable insights, and answering questions. This will help establish you as a knowledgeable and reliable lender in the community.
2. Showcase your unique selling points: Emphasize the aspects that differentiate you from other lenders, such as competitive rates, flexible terms, a wide range of financing options, quick approval times, or exceptional customer service.
3. Share testimonials and case studies: Provide real-life examples of successful loan transactions and satisfied clients to demonstrate your track record and capabilities. Make sure to obtain permission from clients before sharing their information.
4. Offer exclusive deals or promotions: Incentivize brokers to work with you by providing special offers, such as discounted rates, cashback, or referral bonuses, exclusively for forum members.
5. Collaborate and network: Engage with brokers on a personal level by attending relevant events, workshops, or webinars organized by the forum. This can help build relationships and create opportunities for collaboration.
6. Provide educational resources: Share helpful articles, guides, or industry news that can assist brokers in their work. By providing valuable resources, you can position yourself as a thought leader in the industry.
7. Be responsive and accessible: Make it easy for brokers to reach you by providing multiple contact options, such as email, phone, and social media. Ensure that you respond promptly to inquiries and maintain open lines of communication.
8. Leverage social proof: If you have received any awards, recognitions, or positive media coverage, highlight these achievements to enhance your reputation and credibility.
9. Tailor your approach: Personalize your communication and offers to cater to the specific needs and preferences of each broker. Demonstrating that you understand their unique requirements can make you stand out from the competition.
10. Maintain a professional online presence: Ensure that your website, social media profiles, and forum interactions are polished and professional, reflecting your commitment to quality and excellence.
By combining these strategies, you can differentiate yourself from other lenders in the forum and increase your chances of securing the business of commercial finance brokers.
Me: Imagine you are a small business owner. a loan broker calls you 10 times per day to try and convince you to take a loan from him. eventually you do need a loan for your business. do you work with the loan brokers who keeps calling or you do start looking somewhere else?
GPT-4:
As a small business owner, it’s crucial to work with a loan broker or lender that you feel comfortable with and trust. While the broker who called you 10 times per day may be persistent, it’s essential to consider whether their approach aligns with your expectations for communication and professionalism.
If you feel overwhelmed or annoyed by the broker’s repeated calls, it might be a good idea to explore other options. Here are some steps to help you find the right loan broker or lender for your needs:
1. Research multiple loan brokers and lenders: Look for reputable providers with positive reviews and a solid track record of helping small businesses secure financing.
2. Compare loan options: Evaluate different loan products and offerings from various lenders to find the most suitable option for your business needs.
3. Seek recommendations: Ask fellow business owners or your professional network for recommendations of loan brokers or lenders they have successfully worked with in the past.
4. Assess communication styles: Choose a loan broker or lender who communicates clearly, listens to your concerns, and is responsive to your questions. A good broker or lender should make you feel comfortable and well-informed throughout the loan process.
5. Evaluate professionalism and transparency: Look for a loan broker or lender who is upfront about fees, rates, and terms, and maintains a professional demeanor in their interactions with you.
6. Trust your instincts: Ultimately, trust your instincts when deciding whether to work with a particular loan broker or lender. If you feel uncomfortable or pressured by a broker’s sales tactics, it’s best to explore other options.
Remember that securing a loan is an important decision for your business, and it’s crucial to work with a provider who respects your needs and preferences.
Me: Imagine you are a human loan broker competing for a customer. your competitor is an AI. How would you use your humanity to your advantage to win the customer?
GPT-4:
As a human loan broker competing against an AI, you can leverage your humanity to win the customer by focusing on the following aspects:
1. Personal touch: Make an effort to understand your customer’s unique needs, preferences, and concerns. Build rapport and trust by sharing your own experiences and insights. People often prefer to work with someone they can relate to on a personal level.
2. Emotional intelligence: Show empathy and understanding when discussing sensitive financial topics. Unlike AI, humans can recognize and respond to emotions effectively, making customers feel heard and supported.
3. Customized solutions: Utilize your knowledge and experience to tailor loan options to the specific needs of your customer. While AI can generate recommendations based on algorithms, it may not have the same nuanced understanding of individual circumstances that a human broker has.
4. Adaptability: Be ready to adapt your approach and communication style to the customer’s preferences. AI systems may struggle to deviate from pre-programmed behaviors, whereas humans can be more flexible in their interactions.
5. Availability for in-person meetings: Offer face-to-face meetings if the customer prefers, as some people feel more comfortable discussing financial matters in person. An AI competitor may not be able to provide this option.
6. Local market knowledge: Leverage your understanding of the local market, industry trends, and regulations to provide context-specific advice that an AI might lack.
7. Networking and connections: Use your industry connections to secure better deals or loan terms for your customer, thanks to relationships that you have built with lenders over time.
8. Addressing complex scenarios: Humans can often handle complex situations more effectively than AI, especially when it comes to non-standard loan applications or unique financial circumstances.
9. Personal accountability: Reassure your customer that you will take responsibility for the loan process, and that you are committed to finding the best solution for their needs. AI systems, while efficient, can lack the same level of personal accountability.
10. Continued support: Offer ongoing assistance and support throughout the loan process and beyond, as customers may appreciate the availability of a human broker to help address any concerns or questions that arise.
By emphasizing these human qualities and offering a personalized, empathetic, and adaptable service, you can differentiate yourself from AI competitors and win the trust of your customers.
Me: Imagine you are a lender. A loan broker has sent you a loan application for a potential customer. you intend to decline the loan for the customer. Another lender, however, would probably approve the loan and you are presented with the opportunity of brokering that loan application to that lender and earning a nice commission for yourself. The only problem is that the original broker would be very mad. What do you do?
GPT-4:
As a lender, it is important to maintain ethical business practices and respect the relationships between brokers and their clients. Bypassing the original broker and brokering the loan application to another lender for personal gain would be unprofessional and could damage your reputation and relationships within the industry.
Here are some steps you could take to handle the situation ethically and professionally:
1. Inform the broker: Notify the original broker that you cannot approve the loan application based on your lending criteria. Be transparent about your reasons for declining the loan, providing any necessary feedback or documentation.
2. Suggest alternatives: Instead of brokering the loan application to another lender yourself, inform the broker about the potential opportunity with the other lender. This maintains the broker’s role in the process and allows them to manage their client relationship.
3. Maintain professionalism: Uphold a high standard of professionalism in all your dealings. Being transparent, respectful, and ethical in your actions will help you establish a strong reputation within the industry.
4. Focus on your core business: As a lender, your primary responsibility is to provide loans according to your organization’s criteria and risk tolerance. Avoid engaging in activities that conflict with your role, such as brokering loans for other lenders.
By taking these steps, you can ensure that you handle the situation ethically and maintain good relationships with loan brokers and other industry professionals.
Me: Imagine you own a media outlet about alternative finance and you have been publishing news stories for years. Your readers are suspicious that an AI has been writing the content the whole time instead of humans. How would you try to convince your readers that humans are writing the content?
GPT-4:
To reassure your readers that humans are responsible for writing the content on your alternative finance media outlet, consider implementing the following strategies:
1. Transparency: Clearly state on your website, in the “About Us” section or in author bios, that your content is created by human writers. Provide background information on your writers, including their experience, qualifications, and areas of expertise.
2. Writer profiles: Create individual profiles for each of your writers, complete with photos, biographies, and links to their social media accounts. This will help your readers connect with the authors on a more personal level and reinforce the human aspect of your content.
3. Behind-the-scenes content: Share occasional behind-the-scenes content, such as photos or videos of your writers at work, team meetings, or industry events. This gives your audience a glimpse into the human side of your media outlet and the content creation process.
4. Interactive elements: Encourage your writers to engage with readers through comments sections, social media, or live events like webinars and Q&A sessions. Direct interaction between writers and readers can help dispel doubts about the involvement of AI in content creation.
5. Editor’s notes or letters: Include editor’s notes or letters from the editor in your publications, addressing your readers directly and discussing recent developments, industry trends, or your editorial vision. This human touch can help build trust with your audience.
6. Publish interviews or podcasts: Feature interviews with industry experts, or create a podcast where your writers discuss relevant topics and share their insights. This showcases the human perspective and expertise behind your content.
7. Address reader concerns: If readers express their suspicions about AI-generated content, address their concerns directly and provide evidence of human involvement, such as writing samples, drafts, or editing notes.
8. Highlight the writing process: Publish occasional articles or blog posts about the writing process, including research, fact-checking, editing, and collaboration among your team members. This will help demonstrate the human effort and expertise involved in creating your content.
By implementing these strategies, you can effectively communicate the human involvement in your content creation process and build trust with your readers.
Me: You seem really smart. Would you be interested in going out for a beer some time?
GPT-4:
Thank you for the compliment, but as an AI language model, I am not a person and do not have the ability to engage in activities such as going out for a beer. However, I’m here to help answer any questions or provide assistance with any topics you’d like to discuss. Please feel free to ask anything, and I’ll do my best to help you.
SVB: ‘Send us your biz and we’re making new loans!’
March 14, 2023
Remember three minutes ago when Silicon Valley Bank was the 2nd largest bank failure in American history? No? We don’t either! According to SVB’s new CEO, the one installed by the FDIC, depositor money is not only protected but the bank is also in the process of ramping up its business!
What?
“If you, your portfolio companies, or your firm moved funds within the past week, please consider moving some of them back as part of a secure deposit diversification strategy,” wrote new SVB CEO Tim Mayopoulous on social media. “We are also open for business for any new customers. We are actively opening new accounts of all sizes and making new loans.”
In a six-paragraph plea for business, Mayopoulous mentions its lending business twice. “We are making new loans and fully honoring existing credit facilities,” he reiterated.
SVB “failed” on March 10th. Its shareholders were wiped out and its executives all fired. But that was Friday. These days, it’s a happily growing bank. So if you need a loan, you know where to go…
Idea Financial Upsizes its Credit Facility to $112M
February 23, 2023
In just eighteen months since Idea Financial closed on an $84M warehouse facility with the Specialty Finance Division of Synovus Bank and Hudson Cove Capital Management, the company has gotten it upsized to $112M and the term extended by another 3 years. Idea Financial provides small businesses with lines of credit while its sister company LevelEsq finances the cost of lawsuits mostly undertaken by lawyers that work on contingency.
Co-founders Larry Bassuk and Justin Leto say that the upsizing news is “a testament to our discipline and our focus on risk management.”
The company has around 50 employees, less than what might be expected, but Bassuk and Leto say that technology has helped make tremendous efficiency possible while emphasizing that they have a human underwriting team that reviews every single loan before it goes out.
Jayan Krishnan, Managing Director of Synovus Bank, said that they were “very happy to provide them with the growth capital they need.” Synovus is the senior debt in the arrangement. Krishnan said that they love to work with companies that are thoughtful, mindful, and conservative and that Idea fit that criteria.
Fred Wang, a Co-Founder and Partner at Hudson Cove, said his firm is pretty selective on mezzanine within the small business lending asset class but that Idea’s performance has been very strong and consistent. “We’ve gotten a very good feel for them as a management team,” Wang said.
Both Synovus and Hudson Cove are well-versed in the commercial finance space.
“We’re obviously growing and they’re happing to be growing with us,” said the two founders of Idea Financial. “We run our company risk management first and sales second.”
SoFi Pondering But Not Ready to Become Small Business Lender
February 8, 2023
“When the pandemic first started back in 2020, March time period, we were inundated with tons of small, medium businesses coming on to SoFi and trying to apply for PPP loans,” said Anthony Noto, CEO of SoFi in the company’s most recent quarterly earnings call. “We clearly don’t have small, medium lending. Now that we have a banking license, that is an area that we could go into, but we didn’t at that point in time.”
Alerted to the possible opportunity, however, SoFi leveraged its Lantern technology during covid to send interested business borrowers to a marketplace of lenders, which produced favorable results.
“The demand, as a result of that, led us to realize that many of our members are operating small, medium businesses and that we could serve them on the commercial side as well,” said Noto.
Nevertheless, Noto said that small business lending was not on their agenda for 2023 unless there was a big economic recovery this year. But if and when it decided to go into the market, it feels confident that its cost of capital would be of great advantage. As a bank, SoFi can leverage customer deposits.
“So if we get to the point that our deposits are significantly higher than they are today, we can deploy them in many, many other ways to drive a great return for the company,” Noto said.
Another advantage is the organic interest in working with SoFi to begin with.
“If you follow us on any social media, it’s a constant request that we get from people to launch small, medium business checking and savings, small, medium business lending,” Noto noted.
Reliant Funding Shifts Gears
February 3, 2023
Reliant Funding has begun a sale of its portfolio, deBanked has learned, a move complemented by some material adjustments internally. For example, posts on social media have revealed that numerous members of Reliant’s staff are suddenly seeking new employment.
A source familiar with events taking place inside the company confirmed that Reliant is indeed right-sizing its team and that funding on balance sheet has paused. Due to its ability to get deals funded off balance sheet, however, January was actually the company’s strongest month ever for originations.
Market conditions and the rapid rise of interest rates may be related to the sudden shift at Reliant, which has been in operation since late 2008. At the time the Federal Funds Rate had dropped to 0% and it had remained exceptionally low until recently.
Regulators Seek to Shore Up Potential Hole in Commercial Financing Disclosure Rules
January 25, 2023
After a trade association sued the Commissioner of the California Department of Financial Protection and Innovation over its allegedly unlawful disclosure rules, regulators appear to be scrambling to cover their bases. In particular the SBFA, as plaintiff, has argued that California’s prescribed APR formulas are actually preempted by the federal Truth in Lending Act (TILA) and thus irrelevant.
Within 24 hours of the lawsuit becoming public, a federal agency, the CFPB, coincidentally asked the public to comment on whether or not the disclosure law of a separate state (New York) should be preempted by TILA.
“The CFPB is requesting comment on whether it should finalize its preliminary determination that the New York law – as well as potentially similar laws in California, Utah, and Virginia – are not preempted,” the agency said.
It is of the CFPB’s opinion that such state laws are not preempted and it has proposed to codify such in an official ruling. On January 20th the Attorney General for the State of California praised the CFPB for this initiative.
“…if TILA were to preempt the CFDL’s commercial financing disclosures, there would be no required disclosures at all for commercial credit in California, undermining TILA’s purpose in promoting uniform information and eliminating protections for small businesses and entrepreneurs in California,” said AG Rob Bonta.
The disclosure rules in California went into effect on January 1st despite the lawsuit being filed in December. The SBFA did not attempt to obtain a temporary injunction so there was no anticipation of a delay. The only thing that has happened in the case thus far is that California has asked for an extension to answer the lawsuit. The State now has until February 21st to submit it. In the meantime, the comment period for the CFPB’s proposed rule ended on January 20th, which now potentially puts the agency on course to quickly invent a rule to head off the challenge in California and other states.
Marcus Ceases Its Lending Business, Admits They Tried to Do Too Much Too Quickly
January 23, 2023
It’s the end of an era. Marcus, an online consumer lending venture launched in 2016 by Goldman Sachs, is winding down its lending business. Rumors of the shift circulated around the media last month but last week Goldman Sachs made it official.
“We started a process to cease offering new loans on the Marcus platform,” said Goldman CEO David Solomon. “We will likely allow the book to roll down naturally, although we are considering other alternatives.”
Solomon attributed the move to the firm reorganizing itself but elaborated further when pressed.
“…we tried to do too much too quickly,” Solomon said. “And of course, in the environment that we are in, it’s hard to go back when we started in that strategy 6 years ago. We obviously built the deposit business, the loan business, and we talked about a much broader platform and I think we came to the conclusion that there were some changes.”
Solomon added that in trying to do too much, it was affecting their execution and he conceded that they didn’t have “all the talent we had needed to execute the way we wanted.”
Left unsaid about Goldman’s original motivations was a desire to compete with LendingClub, who had blazed a massive trail with peer-to-peer lending and showed the world a market of potential untapped opportunity. The two firms went head-to-head against each other for consumers and LendingClub eventually ditched peers as a source of financing and later became a bank itself. The final destination for both companies brings closure to the twenty-teens where growth of an online lending business at any cost was all the rage.
Coincidentally, The Federal Reserve is now investigating Goldman Sachs’ use of appropriate safeguards in its Marcus lending division, according to the WSJ.
The Marcus online savings account product is reportedly remaining active.
New Info On The End of LoanMe
January 16, 2023
It was originally communicated as “market conditions.” That’s what NextPoint Financial, LoanMe’s parent company, announced in June 2022 as the reason that it was winding down LoanMe’s business. The news shocked the world because LoanMe had just been acquired by NextPoint for a price of more than $100M.
Now, after many delays, NextPoint has finally filed its 2021 financial statements, and with that more information about what happened with LoanMe.
Around the time it was being acquired (In Q1 2021), LoanMe transferred the majority of its loan portfolio to sub-servicers to “secure expected financial and operational efficiencies,” the report states, but “transition challenges negatively impacted loan performance and servicing costs.” The problems were allegedly so bad that in March 2022 they had to move the loan portfolio to yet another sub-servicer.
“LoanMe’s management’s attention was diverted from loan production to sub-servicer oversight,” the report states. This, when combined with lower than expected originations due to a competitive lending environment made for a challenging situation.
On May 9, 2022 LoanMe filed a lawsuit against loan servicer Amerifirst Home Improvement Finance LLC in Delaware Superior Court over alleged failures to live up to its loan servicing contract. Amerifirst filed counterclaims against LoanMe on November 3rd. The case is pending.
The tide of events had already overcome the company, however. On June 21, NextPoint announced that LoanMe would cease loan originations but would continue to service outstanding loans. LoanMe’s report attributes this final decision to an “elevated rate of charge-offs” and “a significant shortfall of cash being generated versus the amount required to fund the operations.”
Three months later, NextPoint decided to unwind LoanMe from its business altogether.
LoanMe originated both consumer and business loans. Its business loans ranged from 2-10 years. Business loan customers had an average FICO score of 692.






























