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Messages - graceful

#1
I planned to close my IRA Prosper accounts and had been transferring funds out to my Fidelity accounts everytime $10,000 in cash accrued. When the shut down of FolioN was announced. I fast-tracked my shutdown by selling everything on FolioN in the week remaining.

Each account was already down to about $10,000.00 when I launched the sales on FolioN.

The fees for annual maintenance were my initial target -- selling notes in a single calendar year and avoiding the Prosper annual fee once I got below the $10,000 minimum. But I discovered that the larger fees (by 3x) are the account closing fees at Equity Institutional. I arranged to pay these fees on a credit card, so the maximum tax-sheltered amount could rollover to my Fidelity IRA. You must set up the credit card payment before issuing the order to close the account.

Stray notes are a problem. Several notes went late in the week I was selling off, and then came current again, but too late to get sold. And a couple of late notes were in collection, which can take months to wind down. My shutdown started last October, and 5 months later is complete, sort of (see below). As soon as the accounts went to zero, Equity Institutional took the last bit of cash from Prosper and then sent it to Fidelity.

HOWEVER, now both accounts are showing a balance again. There must be some bookkeeping lag at Prosper. In my case, my EI account is now closed, so I don't have a way to move these stray amounts out. Since these are IRA accounts, this might be a problem for the IRS. I'm going to contact Prosper and see what they suggest. A wait of an extra few months would have solved this, if I'd had any idea it was possible.

Prosper told me last December that they plan to have another way to sell notes, but don't yet have anything definite. 

#2
Investors - LC / Folio and IRAs
January 03, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Someone could say they relied on LC, but if that doesn't fly, you'll be open to some pretty serious consequences. I reserve the defense of having relied on someone else only for a desperation defense. Not generally a good policy to say, "I did it anyway because they let me." Of course, I try to minimize my exposure to lawyers, the IRS and financial expenses, so I may be too conservative for others who like to live on the wild side.

Graceful
#3
I spent about 45 days getting the first withdrawal transferred from Prosper to Equity Institutional and out to Fidelity. Now I'm at 60 days for the second withdrawal and no sign of when my funds will be moved to Fidelity.

Is anyone else having trouble moving cash through Equity Institutional? I get email correspondence every once in awhile, but nothing happens.

Graceful
#4
Investors - P / APS and Prosper Fighting
November 06, 2013, 11:00:00 PM
Have your IRAs finished transferring to Equity Institutional?

I'm having a problem with Equity Institutional and trying to figure out if they are still swamped dealing with these transfers.

Thanks,
Graceful
#5
Another question.

Since Capital losses are capped at $3,000 per year, this makes a taxable P2P account get pretty unattractive as it gets larger. I'm already  rolling over losses that could make it impossible to write off the losses in anywhere close to the investment term.

It seems more appropriate to match the losses with the income, and then pay taxes on the profit. Has anyone done it this way?

Graceful

#6
Investors - P / My $25 lesson on bankruptcy
February 03, 2013, 11:00:00 PM
What was the loan balance? If under $3500, it would not have been profitable to pursue. Depending on the state, it might cost much more to file with the bankruptcy trustee, paying for representation though a lengthy process. Of my notes, only the larger ones get something in collection, and it takes many months for anything to show up.

http://p2plending.forumatic.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=231&hilit=bankruptcy" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">http://p2plending.forumatic.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=231&hilit=bankruptcy

It is prudent to choose not to file if the cost is greater than the debt owed. That is why so few debtors appear at bankruptcy. They are farther behind if they hire someone to represent and file.

Graceful
#7
Investors - P / Does AQI ever "screw up" ???
December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM
This happened to me, though not recently. When Prosper determined it was an error on their end, they bought the note back from me. I'm satisfied with that.

Now I do look at AQI notes just to be sure. But lately I'm not catching a single note in my AQI filters.

Graceful
#8
I don't bother mentioning it any longer. The "you are crazy" looks and "that sounds like work" responses reminded me of the time when I was investing in Real Estate.

The best place to spend my time nurturing P2P investors is on these forums. Here we have the ears of folks curious and motivated.  Seems a much better investment to grow P2P than yapping with family and friends who are tone deaf.

Graceful
#9
Prosper did a nice analysis showing strong diversification (the reason to make many small instead of fewer large investments) once you reach 400 notes.

http://blog.prosper.com/2011/12/12/power-of-diversification-100-positive-returns-with-100-or-more-prosper-notes/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=blog&utm_content=blog120601" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">http://blog.prosper.com/2011/12/12/power-of-diversification-100-positive-returns-with-100-or-more-prosper-notes/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=blog&utm_content=blog120601

The caveat is if you have been changing your strategy since you began (like most of us do) you may want to wait longer so that your current strategy is fully diversified.

IMHO The time invested in picking loans is substantial, and unless you never want to have this be a comparable investment for the time invested, you really need to be moving toward larger investments once you are solid in your strategy. However, I am the poster child for not getting overconfident and starting to raise your investment amount and reduce the time spent making selections too soon (my ROI went from 17 to 9 when I got over confident. I'm working out that self-inflicted wound and am coming back, but it will be another year or more before I reach 14 or 15).

There are several posts on the Prosper blog that you might want to review.
Path is Prosper.com / about Us / Blog
This is public and you don't need to be registered with Prosper to visit the blog.

A recent presentation about diversification takes a longer term view and you may want to watch it:
http://blog.prosper.com/2012/06/01/using-prosper-ratings-to-diversify-your-portfolio-for-more-consistent-returns/" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">http://blog.prosper.com/2012/06/01/using-prosper-ratings-to-diversify-your-portfolio-for-more-consistent-returns/

graceful
#10
Investors - LC / Collections & Transparency
December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM
Makes sense to me.  https://forum.lendacademy.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" class="smiley" />
#11
I have my MBA and worked with turnaround candidates for years. I'm familiar with lending criteria used in the housing industry as I wrote software (back for Lotus 1-2-3 ver. 1A) to analyze home loan offerings and predict borrower qualifications.

I am a fundamental analyst rather than a technical analyst, after working at a Commodity Brokerage and watching the technicians miss market shifts that seem obvious to me. Now, I'm trying  not to miss the obvious for my own accounts.

graceful
#12
Investors - P / Taxes on notes?
December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM
I used TurboTax and had my first Prosper reports last year. The software stepped me through the steps and they jived with the instructions I got from the Lendstats forum(no longer available). It was easier than I expected.

Graceful
#13
I've been a Prosper Investor since 2010.

After a year of dipping my toe in with unbelievable results, I dumped serious money in, and invested in all the wrong things as if I could do no wrong. After trashing my ROI, I went looking for help.

I found Prospers.org (OMG, flame war central), then Lendstats (defunct analysis for Prosper lenders, still running stats for LC), helped set up a new forum when lendstats forum went down http://p2plending.forumatic.com" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">http://p2plending.forumatic.com, and now also use Prosper-stats http://prosper-stats.appspot.com/TopLenders.jsp" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">http://prosper-stats.appspot.com/TopLenders.jsp for loan selection support. Glad to see a new forum here too!

I have three accounts with a variety of objectives, but all focused on making solid returns.

Graceful
#14
Investors - P / Can I "roll" my notes into an IRA?
November 03, 2012, 11:00:00 PM
I believe I know the answer to this.

Prosper isn't set up to manage IRAs. That's why we have to bring the money in through an IRA trustee.

To do what you intend, you'll need to sell your loans, withdraw funds and then send them to the IRA trustee for deposit with Prosper.

Not as elegant as what looks easy at Fidelity or Vanguard, but actually all this is going on in background at Fidelity and Vanguard, large firms just shield us from having to watch or be involved.

Graceful

#15
Investors - P / Prosper Roth IRA
November 03, 2012, 11:00:00 PM
Marktrader,

I have two IRA accounts at Prosper. At withdrawal, you will allow funds to accumulate and then withdraw, or you can sell notes on FolioN and then withdraw. Very similar to liquidating a portfolio at Fidelity, sell the stocks and then withdraw the funds.

Since we have to liquidate by selling, we've been having conversations at another forum http://p2plending.forumatic.com/index.php" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">http://p2plending.forumatic.com/index.php about how to do this.

After running some experiments, it looks like it will be relatively easy.

Graceful