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#1
My understanding is that the investment you make on peerstreet's platform is effectively unsecured. You effectively are making a loan to peerstreet, which pools all retail investor funds to originate re loans.

peerstreet or one of its entities is the holder of the Note (paid by the borrower) and the beneficiary of the Deed of Trust for each loan it originates. so, as a retail investor, your investment is not directly secured by RE itself.

there are two levels of default risk:
1) borrower default. mitigated not only by the quality of the originator's underwriting but also their servicing and collections ability. imo, the former is average and the latter is lacking and untested (as is the case with most online lenders) for this lender
2)platform bankruptcy. the probzbility of a bk is remote, but in 2017 several well known online lenders failed and there will be more. OLs have tended to fail when their cost of borrower acquisition is astronomical, their cost of funds is too high, the source of their funds is primarily from one provider (80%+), or obviously if retail or inst inv demand for loans on their marketplace is weak or highly concentrated to a handful of investors.

if peerstreet or any other lender using this model were to go belly up, creditors would have first rights to the re loans to pay off all debt. anything left would go to equith investors. not sure what class retail investors are, but there are likely several large/inst preferred equity shareholders ahead.

peerstreet is private, so i'm not sure if their capital structure is disclosed in the investment prospectus. if they have a large credit facility, i would want to know peerstreet's leverage ratio and cash positions.

read their prospectus before investing.
#2
Had a look at Groundfloor and their offerings. I really think accredited investors would be better off investing in a private mortgage fund or REIT. Fractionalized RE investing offered by online lenders like Groundfloor might sound sexy because of low investment minimums, but it puts investors at a disadvantage vs. traditional RE investments. To wit:

- through the LRO, investors are creditors to Groundfloor and the investors' share of the loan is NOT secured by real estate. You're just making a loan to the platform; your investment is effectively unsecured. Also, investors could have a problem recouping the principal invested if the platform goes sideways
- the loans are not personally guaranteed by the buyer; in the event of a default, the lender has no recourse to the borrower's personal assets such other investment properties. Increases the probability of delinquency and default. Also means that the lender doesn't have any visibility on the owner's personal credit, which is still a hugely important factor in assessing repayment. It's possible that at lot of these borrowers don't have much in the way of outside income or personal assets, but a personal guarantee is oftentimes the only reason borrowers will continue to pay if there's a problem with the subject property
- the borrower doesn't need to produce tax returns or bank statements. Sounds a little like the ninja loans made before the financial crisis.
- Extremely high loan to cost ratios. The lender advertises 90% LTC, but mentioned that the LTC was 95% on a loan that recently defaulted (see the blog post - kudos for the company for being transparent about this)
- the lender occasionally makes junior position loans. Looks like they're mostly rehab loans. While I'm not opposed to 2nd loans, as an investor you'll want to make sure that the first loan has a 70% or lower LTV (of the purchase price). If the borrower has problems with permits, contractors, etc. they may be unable to continue the project and likely default on the first. The lender of the first will foreclose and the holder of the 2nd will be wiped out because the project is in the middle of a rehab and is unsellable - all the protective equity is gone.
- Does Groundfloor's management and u/w team have actual RE lending experience? They very well may, I didn't get the chance to check this out
- Is groundfloor lending nationally? If so, does their u/w team understand the nuances of and have experience lending in the geographies in which they lend? 


Overall, this model is going to appeal more to borrowers who don't have provable income, assets, credit or experience. Also keep in mind that this product will appeal more to borrowers in geographic zones that are more exposed to a correction.

This stuff is not for the faint of heart. Do your homework before investing.
#3
https://forum.lendacademy.com/index.php?topic=4239.msg40648#msg88888888Quote"> from: Skeptical on April 26, 2017, 10:43:19 PM
#4
General P2P Lending Discussion / consumer distress
July 30, 2017, 11:00:00 PM
https://forum.lendacademy.com/index.php?topic=4464.msg41038#msg41038">Quote"> from: Fred93 on June 03, 2017, 06:27:17 PM
#5
General Discussion / Dead End for Asset Avenue?
February 06, 2017, 11:00:00 PM
Asset Avenue has stopped originating loans: https://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2017/02/95719-dead-end-assetavenue/" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">https://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2017/02/95719-dead-end-assetavenue/

"Crowdfund Insider spoke to an industry participant who said they understood that deal flow had been challenging at AssetAvenue. The underwriting process was also said to be too highly automated, something that did not mesh well with the type of deals being listed on the platform that demanded more customization. The real estate crowdfunding industry may be going through a period of consolidation where the better-capitalized platforms, with deep real estate experience, will fare better"
#6
Really interesting thread - Fred and nonattender I completely agree with your comments. We've worked with FC, Dealstruck, and a number of other SMB online loan originators but nobody seems to have really figured it out yet. SMB lending just isn't formulaic and I question the wisdom of approving loans where DSCR is significantly less than 1x and the business hasn't yet been profitable or broken even for a number of years. A big chunk of SMB loan u/w is, for lack of a better term, judgmental.

Nonattender, what have you heard about Credibly? Seems like the u/w is purely algorithmic, featuring a huge dose of machine learning.

And any truth to the rumor that LC is thinking about suspending their SMB lending operation?
#7
General P2P Lending Discussion / Dealstruck closing down
November 16, 2016, 11:00:00 PM
SMB online lender shutting down. I'm sure most of you have already seen this, but here's the crowdfund insider article:
http://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2016/11/92633-report-dealstruck-shuts-operations/" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">http://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2016/11/92633-report-dealstruck-shuts-operations/

Does anyone know if the company has actually ceased operations and let all staff go? Wondering if a skeleton staff will continue to service the loans.