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Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: Fred93 on December 26, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
Long time investors in LC have noticed that the supply of loans moves between abundance and scarcity.  At the end of September loans were very scarce, so I did some analysis from historical data.  The history file had become quarterly by that time, so the most recent data I could look at stopped 6/30/2014.



Son of a gun.  On this chart, each dot represents the number of loans issued on a particular day.  There is a big weekly effect because no loans are issued on Saturday and Sunday.  To help visually ignore that, I added the red line, a 7-day moving average.   Looking at the red line, you can clearly see a month-end effect, and you can see that it was really a big deal in June!  June was heavily front-loaded, and then tapered off to almost nothing during the last week.  This doesn't look like a natural ebb-and-flow.  It looks sorta like an intentional clampdown.

I knew, simply because I had been in the market, that things bounced back in the beginning of July.  I also knew that the end of September saw a similar slowdown, which seemed to me to be even more severe, but I didn't have the data yet, so I anxiously awaited the history file update which would contain data thru September. 

Well, as we all know, when the September files arrived, they had been censored.  LC had removed all the day-of-month information.  That seemed to put an end to this sort of analysis, and I moved on to other things.  When December rolled around, investors were faced with another big dip in availability of loans, so I started to think about this again.  I asked LC about it, and they told me "Its a seasonally weak time of year."  Hmm.  Back to the history files, I realized that while with the new censored history file I can't visualize things like those last two weeks in June, I might be able to see something.  Here's a plot of loan volume by month.  Look at the gray curve first.  Its all the loans, independent of the market to which they are allocated.



The first thing we notice is that the gray curve has climbed steadily (very steady and smooth) for several years.  April and May are above trend, and then June (which we know had that last week almost shut down) is below trend.  Ok.  Not a big deal.  But then look what happens during the next three months!  July is huge at $433M.  August pulls back, and then September is way way down, as I had previously noticed.  These aren't natural variations in supply.  You can see three years of history in this chart, and such instability simply has never occurred before.  Interesting.

Those of you in the market know that the same thing happened in December 2014.  I don't know why this occurs, but like all humans, I can speculate.   June, September, December.  Those are end-of-quarter months.   The once smooth-as-glass curve now has giant quarterly gyrations.  Could it be that someone is trying to make the numbers come out nice and smooth for quarterly reports?   Why would they need to do this?  Didn't need to do it in prior years.

Lets look at quarterly loan volume...



Son of a gun.  In spite of the vicious gyrations, quarterly numbers come out smooth as can be.  Based on this, I can refine my speculation.  Perhaps early in the quarter they make investments, increase staff, initiate new sourcing projects, without a careful throttle on volume.  The goal of such an undertaking would be to learn what a particular marketing technique (joint ventures, advertising, etc) can do.  They do this knowing that they can always reel things in later in the quarter.

All speculation.  Its a story that fits the available data.  Its my theory and I'm stickin' to it. 

What does this mean for investors?  Presuming recent behavior continues, I think we should expect that loans will be abundant at the beginning of each quarter and scarce at the end of the quarter.  Maybe we just have to get used to it.

[soapbox on]
Now there's probably somebody at LC sayin' "Get a life!  Don't these people have better things to do?"  Well, I'll tell you why we care.  We're out here trying to invest, and suddenly we can't.  And... we don't know why.  We ask, and we get wallpaper  "Seasonally slow period" answers.  I'm a big fan of transparency.  This experience has been an example of LC's recent nontransparency.  Seems to me that some new management at LC must fear transparency.  As a result we recently see fields deleted from data, dates censored, and not-entirely-helpful answers to simple questions.  A great company like LC has nothing to fear from transparency.  I suggest you embrace it, as you did in your youth.  Its one of the things that made you special.  More difficult for a larger company of course, but should still be your guide.
[soapbox off]

Whew.  Ok, is there anything else we can observe in that data?  Yes.  Lets look at that monthly chart again, this time looking at the colored curves.

Until about 10/2013, the whole-loan market was small, and did not impact the size of the fractional loan market.  After that, the whole-loan market was allowed to grow so much that it compromised the fractional-loan market.  The size (not just the fraction, but the $ size) of the fractional market has fallen during all of 2014.  (not counting gyrations).  Fractional market investors of course fear crowding-out, and are always wondering to what degree this is occurring, and when the end will come.   Probably all overblown fears.  I for one have no idea what the correct relative sizing of these two markets should be, so if fractional is gonna be 1/3 maybe that's ok.



But look what happened during the forced slowdown in June 2014.  That came all out of the fractional market.  The whole-loan market was allowed to grow unhampered.  (ie blue curve down, while orange curve up)   In contrast, look at what happened in September 2014.  In this slowdown, the pain was shared.  Perhaps they corrected the earlier error.  That would be a good thing.  Of course many things are happening at once.  Institutional investors come and go, and try to invest in big lumps, so there's a lot we don't know. 

Will be interesting to see the numbers for December 2014.  This time the slowdown started earlier, around Thanksgiving, and also eased up earlier, just before Christmas.  I'm predicting January will be huge.
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: BruiserB on December 26, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
I have tons of "not yet issued" loans now.....I expect a flood of issuances on Jan 2nd. I can appreciate them trying to manage their business, but this is getting ridiculous. It causes losses for us investors as our funds are tied up and it has to frustrate borrowers who are expecting their loans to issue.

LC may hide issuance dates now, but you can look at your own account history and see a dearth of issuances at the end of each quarter and a flood in the first few days of the next.


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Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: Thatguybil on December 26, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
Thanks Fred!
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: gottodo1 on December 27, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
Fred they are the 10th largest bank in the U.S.A they don't need to be transparent anymore. Awesome post though!
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: Lovinglifestyle on December 27, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
Love your explanations and graphs.  Very understandable!  Hope you do an update with this quarter's information when it comes.  Thanks!
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: BBingo on December 27, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
Great analysis Fred! An excellent set of visualization as well.


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Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: bobeubanks on December 27, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
from: gottodo1 on December 28, 2014, 02:11:38 AM
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: TravelingPennies on December 27, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
from: BruiserB on December 27, 2014, 09:20:13 PM
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: TravelingPennies on December 27, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
As much as I generally hate class action lawsuits and the lawyers who pursue them, this seems like Lending Club is just opening themselves up for future legal action.  As investors we give our money to Lending Club with the understanding that they will deploy it in a timely manner.  I am hoping they were doing this to get through the IPO period and to maybe insure a great 1st quarter as a publicly traded company, but I hope they wean themselves off of this. I don't really see the benefit anyway....at their current growth rate, it seems like they would still show excellent Q to Q growth even if they just let the business flow where it naturally would.


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Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: TravelingPennies on December 27, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
from: BruiserB on December 28, 2014, 06:05:34 PM
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: Randawl on December 27, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
Thank you for taking the time to put that together, Fred93!  I owe you a [<insert favorite beverage here>].



Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: TravelingPennies on December 28, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
from: BruiserB on December 28, 2014, 06:05:34 PM
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: TravelingPennies on December 28, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
I do wonder whether, laid out in such plain terms, share holders of LC would take issue with the practice, or the SEC for that matter. I don't claim to be at all versed in what kinds of creative bookkeeping and business practices are/are not kosher, but that seems to be not only inconsiderate of the lenders, but also a blatant attempt to manipulate numbers, which if construed as an attempt to artificially buoy stock prices...


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Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: rawraw on December 28, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
from: gottodo1 on December 28, 2014, 02:11:38 AM
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Post by: thezfunk on December 28, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
from: rawraw on December 29, 2014, 05:49:40 AM
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: bobeubanks on January 05, 2015, 11:00:00 PM
Quote"> from: TonySaunders on January 06, 2015, 05:59:28 PM
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Post by: BruiserB on January 05, 2015, 11:00:00 PM
Quote"> from: TonySaunders on January 06, 2015, 05:59:28 PM
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Post by: TravelingPennies on January 05, 2015, 11:00:00 PM
Quote"> from: Fred93 on January 06, 2015, 02:10:32 PM
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Post by: rawraw on January 05, 2015, 11:00:00 PM
Man, I hope I am part of the 1% with those kind of emails one day :)
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: TravelingPennies on January 05, 2015, 11:00:00 PM
from: rawraw on January 06, 2015, 07:40:04 PM
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: lascott on March 22, 2016, 11:00:00 PM
Can anyone tell we are at the end of a quarter again <grin>. I monitor my portfolio page ( https://www.lendingclub.com/account/portfolios.action ) almost daily and compare note counts and "Expected Monthly Payments" (EMP) to the previous days.  EMP has stalled (notes being issued) in the past couple days.
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: dompazz on March 22, 2016, 11:00:00 PM
I show 7 notes in the 9am drop this morning and about 20-40 per drop yesterday (last one had 99 though).  Down from the ~120 per drop of the past few weeks.  Ouch.
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: MarinBB on March 22, 2016, 11:00:00 PM
I'm seeing the same low count of new listings on the website along with some massive API latencies. This is unusual. The API used to take 100s of milliseconds to return around posting periods but now takes 2-5 seconds. Has anyone else observed the same slowness?

Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: TravelingPennies on March 22, 2016, 11:00:00 PM
from: MarinBB on March 23, 2016, 01:30:47 PM
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: Fred93 on March 22, 2016, 11:00:00 PM
from: MarinBB on March 23, 2016, 01:30:47 PM
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: TravelingPennies on March 22, 2016, 11:00:00 PM
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Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: Rob L on March 22, 2016, 11:00:00 PM
I've seen all of the above. End of the quarter and LC has met their quota; "managed growth".
Thus has it been for a while now.

I have noticed something new that perhaps others might be able to confirm or refute.
Until quite recently (January some time?) LC always merged newly released loans with previously released loans not yet fully funded.
The merged loans were released at feeding times.

It now appears LC includes only new loans in the feeding time releases.
All previously released loans are removed (presumably funded by sources other than retail investors).
Anyone else see same?
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: AnilG on March 22, 2016, 11:00:00 PM
It doesn't seem likely considering currently 500+ loans are available for funding and last release only had 25 new loans.

from: Rob L on March 23, 2016, 05:54:35 PM
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: TravelingPennies on March 22, 2016, 11:00:00 PM
from: AnilG on March 23, 2016, 06:37:20 PM
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: TravelingPennies on March 22, 2016, 11:00:00 PM
from: Rob L on March 23, 2016, 07:03:12 PM
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: Rob L on March 22, 2016, 11:00:00 PM
I have not specified show all, so the default is false. The only notes I do see and should see are the new ones.
I long ago requested and have access to whole loans when they are released. They show up as expected.
No LC changes of late, my mistake. Or as MIss Emily Litella (Gilda) would have said; "Nevermind" ....
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: Booleans on March 23, 2016, 11:00:00 PM
My father just opened a Lending Club account and I've been running it with my automated investing code. Last week my filter was giving me around 20 loans each day. Now though I haven't managed to buy a single loan within the past two days.

It turns out changing my password messed up the task scheduler and my code wasn't running properly.
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: lascott on March 23, 2016, 11:00:00 PM
I was thinking that my Expected Monthly Payment (EMP) would go up along with the list of notes being "issued" BUT even tho I see notes being "issued" my EMP is really changing very modestly in the past few days.  I'm I wrong about "issued" notes supposedly jiving directly with EMP?!?  (Logically EMP does change (go down) with paid off notes as well. This is obvious when I see changes to my P2P-Picks portfolios).

Image: http://i.imgur.com/oNBmzxN.png


Via: https://www.lendingclub.com/account/getLenderActivity.action
Image: http://i.imgur.com/dMNBZVi.png
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: TravelingPennies on March 24, 2016, 11:00:00 PM
Well this is quite a ski slope ;)

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Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: Fred93 on March 24, 2016, 11:00:00 PM
It is the end of the quarter, and both LC and P are releasing significant #s of loans.  (rather than the usual slowdown)  This means that they are not ahead of plan, as they usually are at this time.  Hard to know whether they are at plan or behind.

Perhaps this quarter's numbers may show a bit slower growth than the recent past? 

Or perhaps the additional delay thru webbank these days has shifted the timing?
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: jheizer on March 24, 2016, 11:00:00 PM
And weirdly I've only bought into 2 loans in the last 5 days.  Cash is backing up.  Not sure why.  Haven't had time to dig into it really.
Title: LC - end of Quarter effect
Post by: MarinBB on March 24, 2016, 11:00:00 PM
from: jheizer on March 25, 2016, 06:17:41 PM