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Title: New (Especially Quality) Notes Really Trailing Off?
Post by: avid investor on November 12, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
Have had to lower the APRs of the loans I am funding to get anything that passes through my (admittedly stringent) filters.  Sideline cash was piling up.  But noticing that each feeding time only sees about 100+ new loans being dropped.  Frequently, 0 to 1 of those make it through my filters.  Anybody else having trouble staying invested at good return rates?  I don't do any A's or lower interest B's.
Title: New (Especially Quality) Notes Really Trailing Off?
Post by: Kombinator on November 12, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
Yep most definitely last few days there has been a drop off in decent notes, but this happens in waves periodically, so nothing alarming yet.
Title: New (Especially Quality) Notes Really Trailing Off?
Post by: Lovinglifestyle on November 12, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
I do mostly Es.  Yes to the same problems as above.  I noticed my last E1 at 18.99 was  on Oct. 23, and my first E1 at 18.54 on Nov. 2.  Don't know how the other E APRs compare, but they all seem lower.  That's good news for borrowers.  Now they can always make their payments on time, and I love when that happens!
Title: New (Especially Quality) Notes Really Trailing Off?
Post by: TravelingPennies on November 12, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
from: Kombinator on November 13, 2014, 09:24:52 AM
Title: New (Especially Quality) Notes Really Trailing Off?
Post by: rawraw on November 12, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
By quality, I think you may mean mispriced.   If that's the case, one should never get used to relying on mispricing to last forever.  What you label as good may not be a realistic return.
Title: New (Especially Quality) Notes Really Trailing Off?
Post by: TravelingPennies on November 12, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
from: rawraw on November 13, 2014, 10:08:16 AM
Title: New (Especially Quality) Notes Really Trailing Off?
Post by: TravelingPennies on November 12, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
from: rawraw on November 13, 2014, 10:08:16 AM
Title: New (Especially Quality) Notes Really Trailing Off?
Post by: TravelingPennies on November 12, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
from: avid investor on November 13, 2014, 10:15:10 AM
Title: New (Especially Quality) Notes Really Trailing Off?
Post by: TravelingPennies on November 12, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
"To answer your question, you really need to have the probability of default estimate produced by the model.  You then can use this to determine whether something is priced too high or too low. --rawraw"

Thanks for reminding me.  It's easy to click on the individual loans in the PC Similar Risk box and then note the default rates, although I'm not sure if they were model produced.  I haven't paid enough attention to that.  I was letting my eyes skip over the default numbers.
Thank you.
Title: New (Especially Quality) Notes Really Trailing Off?
Post by: AnilG on November 12, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
As I have never discussed Loans with Similar Risk Profile feature, I just wanted to put more color on how PeerCube determines the 'Loans with Similar Risk Profile'. PeerCube uses a clustering algorithm to determine what loans are similar to each other. The Loans with Similar Risk Profile box displays the five closest loans similar to the loan being viewed. There are multiple ways to use this for making lending decision.


In the past, a few PeerCube users mentioned that they leverage Loans with Similar Risk Profile feature by using a combination of method 1 and 3.

from: Lovinglifestyle on November 13, 2014, 04:22:47 PM
Title: New (Especially Quality) Notes Really Trailing Off?
Post by: TravelingPennies on November 13, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
Is the cluster analysis done on just the credit variables or does it factor in past performance of those combination of credit variables?  If I recall, cluster analysis is often used to find similar groups of notes but generally a firm then has a cluster specific scorecard to evaluate the credit of notes within that cluster.   But I'm not very familiar with cluster analysis, so appreciate any insight on how it works
Title: New (Especially Quality) Notes Really Trailing Off?
Post by: TravelingPennies on November 13, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
from: AnilG on November 13, 2014, 09:14:21 PM
Title: New (Especially Quality) Notes Really Trailing Off?
Post by: RaymondG on November 13, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
from: avid investor on November 13, 2014, 06:43:55 AM
Title: New (Especially Quality) Notes Really Trailing Off?
Post by: TravelingPennies on November 15, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
The clustering algorithm takes into consideration the probability of default from past loans as weight for distance estimates. This enables the important variables to have more influence when doing similarity analysis. And, this approximation avoids two step analysis of first identifying cluster and then evaluating credit quality of cluster. The speed is more important as calculations are performed in real-time.

from: rawraw on November 14, 2014, 06:18:14 AM
Title: New (Especially Quality) Notes Really Trailing Off?
Post by: TravelingPennies on November 18, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
from: Kombinator on November 13, 2014, 09:24:52 AM
Title: New (Especially Quality) Notes Really Trailing Off?
Post by: Kombinator on November 18, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
There are demostrably fewer loans, and there is a large amount of whole loans among those. In addition lack of better quality loans is continuing, so yep trend is still holding hopefully unitl next marketing campaign or possibly they are holding the volume until IPO so as to generate a string of positive results after it and pop the price.
Title: New (Especially Quality) Notes Really Trailing Off?
Post by: avid investor on November 18, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
from: Kombinator on November 19, 2014, 09:22:40 AM
Title: New (Especially Quality) Notes Really Trailing Off?
Post by: TravelingPennies on November 19, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
Well, there are many ways they can artifically drag out the process: send us more data, we need more time to verify this before listing, we need more time to verify after listing etc...They can easily add a month or so to the process and remain legal with it...not ethical or reasonable but legal:)
Title: New (Especially Quality) Notes Really Trailing Off?
Post by: sean3.eth on November 19, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
And yet Lending Club is asking for more money. I got a notification through the LC website about 2 weeks ago that said something about my cash balance being dangerously low and that I better add more money to my account to fix it so that I don't miss out on good loans.

While perhaps the cash balance was "low" compared to the amount of cash I have deployed, it was still about $1,000, not something I'd set off emergency alarms for.

They've also gotten more aggressive with promoting recurring transfers and they're campaigning to get your friends to sign up and make deposits. I thought us retail investors were already a burden to them at present because the institutions would gladly fund everything. I feel like they've gotten really aggressive and they just want the deposits regardless of loan availability. I sense depository institution envy.

Title: New (Especially Quality) Notes Really Trailing Off?
Post by: TravelingPennies on November 19, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
from: Kombinator on November 20, 2014, 11:08:55 AM
Title: New (Especially Quality) Notes Really Trailing Off?
Post by: core on November 19, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
from: avid investor on November 20, 2014, 01:24:58 PM