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Lending Club Discussion => Investors - LC => Topic started by: New Jersey Guy on December 30, 2012, 12:00:00 AM

Title: Chances of collecting when borrower has died
Post by: New Jersey Guy on December 30, 2012, 12:00:00 AM
"There's a link at the bottom of Foliofn My Accounts to view last year's sales. But if you change the date you can see this year's sales, e.g."

Yea, but that's pretty much worthless, too.  Not only does it list the notes you sold, but it also lists the notes you bought.  Just for November, I had a total of 126 transactions, and it's like 8 pages long.  I don't feel like scanning each transaction over and over again every time a note sells, just to find out what I paid for it.  I suppose if they listed the note title, it would help slightly in tracking a note down much faster.  However, when you're looking for a note titled "Debt Consolation"  or just "Consolation", that constitutes a large amount of the notes.

Go look at your notes and see how many have either one of those two titles.
Title: Chances of collecting when borrower has died
Post by: yojoakak on December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM
from: New Jersey Guy on December 30, 2012, 12:37:57 PM
Title: Chances of collecting when borrower has died
Post by: rawraw on December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM
I've bought a three or four deeply discounted notes at $2.50 and received in excess of $50 in payments to test it.  Sadly, both Lendstats and NSR currently compute loss rates based on initial principal and not initial investment, so it screws up my loss estimates and ROI.

Sometimes when I have free time, I just sort FolioFN by highest discount and look at why they are being sold that way.  And there are a lot of deceased borrowers listed on the platform.  Scaling it is hard, since I don't know of a way to "search" the notes on each LC note.  But I think there is def. a chance of high returns, as I've done it on a very small scale.
Title: Chances of collecting when borrower has died
Post by: TravelingPennies on December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM
Rawraw, you almost need to separate the amount you have invested in your speculative notes away from what you have invested in your good, interest bearing notes.  Unless you have two different accounts, this is difficult to do using the LC platform.  The NAR Lending Club shows on your account page reflects Charge offs (from your speculative notes) BUT FAILS TO FIGURE IN GAINS YOU MADE SELLING OTHER SPECULATIVE NOTES.  This is why my NAR shows a -11.49%, and this is why you'll never get a true, actual NAR when mixing the two accounts together.

Since 3/4 of my notes are speculative, I spend no time chasing NAR on the 1/4 of my notes that are good.  If they pay, they pay.  And yes, most do.

I set up a spread sheet on EXCEL that will calculate my monthly return based only ON THE ENTIRE AMOUNT OF MONEY I HAVE INVESTED OUT OF POCKET!  This does NOT include interest paid to me on the good accounts.  But, it will include gains (or losses) of notes I sell.  Therefore, I look at interest strictly as a bonus, and is NOT calculated into my returns.

For example, if you invest $1,000 of which $250 is set aside for quality notes, your out of pocket investment is still $1,000.  So, let's say I sell a note for a $5.00 gain, my out of pocket will automatically increase on Excel to show $1,005.

So, at the end of the month, let's say with all your gains and losses, you end up making $90.  You'll end up at the end of the month with an out-of-pocket investment of $1,090 or pretty much a 9% gain for that month only!
Now you can look at it as "Okay, I made $90 on my $1000 investment.  Oh, and lookie here!  I also made an additional $2.99 interest on notes that actually paid!  Isn't that cute!"

Now, starting at the first of the new month (with a clean Excel worksheet) I'll enter $1090 as my starting investment, and the game begins all over again.

I did some house cleaning on Christmas Day and listed a bucket of non-selling notes pushing the 120 day limit for dirt cheap.  They were selling as fast as I could get them up.  I lost money on all of them.  Despite that, I'm still going to end up making over 9% for the month of December alone.
Title: Chances of collecting when borrower has died
Post by: TravelingPennies on December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM
I don't care about LC's NAR except for its trend and stability.  I calculate my own ROI based on each portfolio within my account (I have a speculative portfolio) and then use 3rd party websites to do the same.  But the websites still suck at calculating the return on my speculative portfolio, since they do loss assumptions which aren't valid.
Title: Chances of collecting when borrower has died
Post by: Zach on December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM
from: rawraw on December 31, 2012, 07:16:42 AM
Title: Chances of collecting when borrower has died
Post by: TravelingPennies on December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM
from: zpbsfg on December 31, 2012, 09:22:45 AM
Title: Chances of collecting when borrower has died
Post by: TravelingPennies on December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM
from: rawraw on December 31, 2012, 12:19:57 PM
Title: Chances of collecting when borrower has died
Post by: TravelingPennies on December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM
from: zpbsfg on December 31, 2012, 02:47:48 PM
Title: Chances of collecting when borrower has died
Post by: TravelingPennies on December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM
from: rawraw on December 31, 2012, 04:13:48 PM