Sean Murray: And you have posted, you've been posting your
stories a lot on social media, Twitter, and I've seen you
posting a lot on LinkedIn because I've shared your stories
on there on LinkedIn. How, what's the value of LinkedIn for
you when you share like a story?
Adam Zaki: LinkedIn is huge. I mean, you know, email go, only
goes so far, a phone call only goes so far. Nobody wants to
talk on the phone anymore. You know, Facebook is, you know, for
your parents posting pictures of cats. Now, I'm not going to go
on in a journalistic matter and message somebody on Facebook. So
LinkedIn is like the perfect balance of social media and
professionalism. Yeah, I mean, I can message somebody on
LinkedIn, they could see where I work, how long I've worked
there, where I'm from, when where I went to college, what
type of degree I have. It's the perfect place for a journalist.
And I'm sure these people that watch the show to merchants,
brokers, people in finance, can message each other and do
business. Yeah, you slide into somebody's Instagram, DMs, you
don't look serious trying to do business, but but a LinkedIn
message is legit. And so it just goes, I mean, some people pay
for LinkedIn before I worked here when I was job searching.
Yeah, totally worth it to pay for LinkedIn. Like without What
do you get if you pay for it, you get a, you get a debit to
your account for almost $70,
Sean Murray: You get you get debit, it's very expensive. But
that's one of the benefits.
Adam Zaki: But on top of you know, the price, I mean, there's
some benefits, when you're job searching, you can see the
profiles of everybody else that applied for that job in
comparison to you. So
Sean Murray: Okay, so you don't actually get to see their
identity.
Adam Zaki: No, but I can see how many people applied to that job
that have a master's degree. How many people that applied to that
job went to Ohio State University. Okay, you know, so I
could see the demographics of people that I'm competing
against in the job market.
Sean Murray: I didn't even know that
Adam Zaki: Behind a paywall. Okay. hugely beneficial if
you're in the job market. I mean, now that I have a job yeah
and, I'm not in the job market. I think that, you know, people
can, I can see when people look at my profile, that's about it.
I can message people I'm not connected with.
Sean Murray: So there are some benefits you're still paying for
it.
Adam Zaki: No, oh, no, I know, a lot of effort. But I did my
membership carried over for the first like two months I worked
here. So I was able to use it. But it wasn't beneficial enough
for me. I mean, most of the people will accept a random
connection by me because I have the deBanked name in this
industry. They know who we are. But before that, yeah, it was
hugely beneficial on the job market. But LinkedIn is huge.
Without it, my job would be very difficult.
Sean Murray: Yeah. And I can just say, from personal
experience, I've been on LinkedIn for 15 years. Legit, I
signed up in 2007. And I have like, 10,000 followers, or
whatever it is, but I stopped adding people like, like, a long
time ago, people will add me. And I do accept those who's, you
know, kind of industry experience matches what I'm
interested in, right? So if you like sell precious metals, and
you live in Canada, or you know, something, I'm like, what does
this have to do with what we do? Right? Cause I don't want to get
spammed, there's certainly like a lot of spam. On LinkedIn. Oh,
man, I could tell but I use it all the time. You know, you know
that I told you, I'm kind of on there, like 24/7. It's like the
go to social network. For me, in terms of communicating
Adam Zaki: It is right, though. You go on the weekends, it's
dead. Yeah, Saturday, Sunday, nobody posts the LinkedIn.
Sean Murray: It's like, they might as well just turn off the
server. Why not? They do that at the government level,
Adam Zaki: They should do it at LinkedIn, I'm sure we'd save a
couple bucks.
Sean Murray: If you go on to like New York State's website
and you want it I don't know if it's still this way it was at
least a couple years ago. And you want to do like a UCC
search, basically, like find out if anyone has any outstanding
debt, where a like a UCC or lien has been filed. You couldn't do
it after like 10pm on a weekday. And on the weekend, it was just
down because it was closed. But I don't think that people think
about the internet being like, closed at a certain time. But it
does happen on government websites. And it is it is I've
seen what you've seen, like going onto LinkedIn that there's
just not a whole lot happening. Like if there's something I
really want to post on Friday, and it's too late in the day. I
don't post it on definitely don't post it on LinkedIn on
Friday night. No, you know, you're on LinkedIn on a Friday
night. Yeah. I don't know, you know, you gotta you gotta have
some time. You gotta have some time to unwind, you know,
Adam Zaki: Let me ask you though as an as somebody who hires
people, as a business owner, if you see that someone is not on
LinkedIn, versus then you have a candidate that is on LinkedIn do
you to take the candidate that is on LinkedIn way more
seriously than the one who's not.
Sean Murray: Yeah, I think there's only so much I could say
as to how we evaluate candidates. But being on
LinkedIn is certainly a good sign. For sure. Because it's,
it's, there's so many people that are on there, right? And it
does showcase your kind of your professional record to the world
right. There could be an element of why would someone not want to
do that? Because if you give someone a resume, right, that's
between me and you. Let's say let's say you gave me a resume,
just a Word file and I look at it. How do I know how true it
is? Right? I can call your references. Yeah, I could do
that I could try to, you know, do my own homework or ask you
questions. But when your resume is public, there's a lot more
potential for someone to challenge you on it. Right. So
if you went on and said, You were the, you know, the CEO of a
large investment bank, right, and I got your resume? I don't
know. Right? Yeah. I'd have to take your word for it. Maybe I
weighed it out. Yeah. But if it's on, say, LinkedIn, you said
he was CEO of a large investment bank, the odds are someone else
is going to be like, hey, you're not, CEO, right. And don't get
me wrong. Obviously, you and I have seen, there's plenty of
fake profiles on LinkedIn, plenty of fake ones, too many
for a variety of variety of purposes, whatever people are
trying to do, but there is some sort of accountability as to
your credentials, because you can be called out on it.
Although I guess at the same time, we could all kind of just
everyone could just assume that someone else would call someone
else out. And so nobody calls anyone out. Maybe I'm thinking
too much into it. But I felt like, you know, I feel like if I
went on there, and I like completely lied, yep, that I run
the risk of like being found out. And someone calling me out
and catching me in the lie would blow my entire credibility.
Because you know what I mean, it would just completely, I just
feel like it would just like, Snowball. Yeah. Right. And like,
if he's lying about that, what else is he lying about? So I
think that LinkedIn, from that standpoint, is kind of one of
those things where whatever that person put on paper, they were
willing to also share with everyone else, you know what I
mean, this wasn't just a lie between me and you that no one
else is gonna find out about this is something that everyone,
everyone else is, is also seeing, too. So for me, it's
kind of like another another layer of like, you know,
legitimacy
Adam Zaki: Like social credit, no social credit scores, like a
beat, everyone's scared of social credit. But that's what
it is. Yeah, it's a way to, you know, verify somebody's social
credibility in the workplace. And you know, some people post
privately on LinkedIn, which is getting more and more like, it's
insane with with the politics and like, the pictures of the
kids on the LinkedIn. Yeah, that's a little it's getting a
little much. But then you could see if someone you know, if you
have a picture with the kids on LinkedIn, it's not the worst
thing you see character in people. So it goes to show that
it's just a great tool for people in the professional world
to verify that it each other are legit.
Sean Murray: Yeah, yeah. No, I totally agree. And I'm glad that
you're using it and finding it valuable. Something I recommend
to everyone, honestly, LinkedIn, I have heard that some, like,
broker training courses will emphasize the value of LinkedIn.
Maybe that's because they're small business owners or
potential borrowers who are on LinkedIn. And this is a unique
way to reach them through a professional correspondence.
Because if you just get a cold call, again, you don't know who
that is. You get a cold call email, you know, do you trust
him. But if you're being reached, if you're being reached
out to someone over LinkedIn, and it's a cold communication,
they can go and check out your profile, kinda like what I was
saying before. If there's any lies in there, that person has
the potential of being found out by the masses, right? So it is
that layer of legitimacy. And also, like you said, you know,
DMing, somebody on Instagram, it's gross. Yeah, I don't
really, I don't know that I really have ever done that in
any professional capacity, unless there was no other way to
reach that person. And like, they were only on Instagram. And
you know, they had a YouTube channel or something. There was
no website, and like, Instagram is the only way you can reach
them. But I gotta tell you, when I've tried, I've never gotten
any response. I don't I don't know what maybe because I don't
have enough followers. You know what I mean, or that person is
being spammed all the time. Maybe I don't know how to do
messaging right on Instagram. That's a possibility too
Adam Zaki: We'll have to show you we got great social media
people here.
Sean Murray: That's true.