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Johny Fernandez: So, Coindesk
TV, it was interesting couple of

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days for them. Last weekend or
last week, they actually got

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shut down by YouTube. So for all
you guys that don't know,

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Coindesk TV, they are specific
online company TV broadcasts

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there that they specifically
focus on things like

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cryptocurrency and Bitcoin. But
on Thursday, they YouTube knock

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them out for breaching its
policies. So Sean, I know we've

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been looking into this quite
often into their website until

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the launch of their new 24 hour
streaming service that pretty

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much through online and YouTube.
So YouTube played a huge part in

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their, how they work how they
function. So after reading a

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couple of things, it was pretty
much a lot of their like, they

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pretty much breached YouTube's
policy. And they didn't follow

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quote, unquote, like the rule is
that YouTube had set out for

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them. So it's definitely quite
interesting for sure to see how

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YouTube ended up just pretty
much taking, wiping them out

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completely. And then like, now
they're back in YouTube did give

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them the thumbs up to continue.
But all the videos that they

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posted online, were taken down.
And that is a huge part of their

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streaming service that the
server.

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Sean Murray: Yeah. You know,
it's I'm not shocked that that

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happened. It's something that
we've thought about internally.

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Well, right now we're not even
on YouTube. We're broadcasting

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on our own website, right,
you'll be able to watch this

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video on deBanked Comm. We're
not putting these videos on

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YouTube. And when we first came
up with the idea for the

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livestream we're doing right now
the videos we've been creating,

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people told me that you're
making a mistake by not putting

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them on YouTube, or not having
YouTube channel, we might have a

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few videos up on YouTube. But
it's not like a full fledged

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channel, not something we've
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to. And that's truly
intentional. I think over time,

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we're going to see that these
platforms, they're going to

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exert control over the content.
And you mentioned that they got

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in trouble for breaching the
policy. It's my understanding

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that Coindesk didn't really know
exactly what the breach was. And

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I was looking at that myself to
something about like severe

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repeated breaches, right? They
made it sound really extreme.

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When Coindesk, reported that
their YouTube channel have been

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taken down, I actually went
myself to try to access the

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channel. And it wasn't just like
it said suspended, you wouldn't

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mean it or you couldn't watch
the videos, the channel was

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completely deleted. There was a
red bar that said, this user has

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been terminated. And I don't
know how many videos that had.

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But they had about 23,000
subscribers. Yeah, all wiped

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out. All the video content that
had gone now they've been around

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since 2013. That's eight years
worth of content. Yeah, wiped

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out. And that's the risk you
run. When you host your, your,

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your platform on someone else's
platform. All of a sudden, it's

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their platform, they decide what
they want on it. Now, I don't

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really know what what Coindesk,
did they get in trouble? I might

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have something to do with what
people were putting in the

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comments. That's what I that's
what I saw alluded to, yeah,

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Twitter that people were
advertising crypto scams in the

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comment section that apparently
was on Coindesk to moderate that

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on their own to protect people.
Seems kind of like a lot of

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seems weird that you would be
held responsible. Yeah. For what

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people were commenting on
YouTube. Right. But even if

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that's even if that's true, if
you're supposed to or not

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supposed to, I think what it
tells us is that YouTube can do

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whatever they want, as far as I
know, coindesk appealed to you,

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pleaded. Yeah, and I would I
would think Yeah, please, please

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bring our channels back, please
bring our channel back. And I'm

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assuming they had all the video
content backed up. Yeah, I doubt

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they will hopefully hope. Yeah,
hopefully, they had a backup of

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all their videos. And they could
put them somewhere else. Right.

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But they were at the mercy of
YouTube and look like they were

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kind of pleading with YouTube, I
knew we would have probably have

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to plead if we were doing this
on YouTube. And one day, yeah,

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all of our content was gone. And
then YouTube's just comes in and

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takes it away. Now they can do
that for for whatever reason

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they want. Yeah, that's That's
my understanding. And if they

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feel like they're being
threatened, there's nothing to

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stop them from finding a breach
of the policy that they've

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otherwise, you know, we're
willing to let go and then using

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that against you, you've been
doing something very minor,

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you've been in breach the whole
time. All of a sudden, you do

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something that's threatening to
them. They could say, well, you

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know, you've been in breach of
this the whole time, and we're

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terminating you and if anyone
asked why it's because of that

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is interesting, though that
Coindesk recently came out with

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Coindesk TV, right? Yeah. It's a
live streaming service. They

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were streaming it on YouTube,
but it wasn't being done like

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YouTube wasn't the base software
they were using. They were kind

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of doing it in one central
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And then pushing it out, pushing
it, pushing it out to YouTube.

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And so from that perspective,
they were okay because that my

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understanding was that their
channel got deleted midstream.

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So if you're watching Coindesk
Tv live on youtube, the stream

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just got cut, you could still
watch it on coin desk comm on

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their on their TV section. And
this is this is going to become

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more common over time Instagram,
Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, you

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don't own these, we don't own
these platforms, right, these

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platforms are going to decide.

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Johny Fernandez: And I think
there's like a feeling and

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there's a thought that we do.
Like, we have ownership or

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putting but like you said, you
know, at the end of the day,

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they do have control over what
you put and something that the

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platform wrote to an email to
Coindesk was that the content

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encourage illegal activities and
incites users to violate

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YouTube's guidelines is not
allowing is not allowed on

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YouTube. Yeah, I mean, it's a
pretty good day the other day,

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what does that mean? Right?
Yeah, like, it's, yeah, it's

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kind of counterintuitive in a
way. But at the same time,

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Sean Murray: It incites other
people to say, I thought it was

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gonna say violence is something
that incites users to violate

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YouTube's guidelines.

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Johny Fernandez: eah. Which
as, which, which is, but I

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hink to go back, all this ties
ack to the fact that like, you

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don't have control of what you
put online. Like, that's just

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like, just the reality of like,

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Sean Murray: If you're doing it
on another platform.

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Johny Fernandez: Correct. You're
doing on another platform? You

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don't have control of it,
because you think you do you

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have this idea. I think a lot of
people that, you know, put stuff

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online on social media, they
they have this idea that they

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own it, but at the end of the
day, you don't like you don't

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and it wasn't surprising, but to
me, I'm like, wow, they, it just

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it hit me when we talked
earlier, like they literally

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wiped everything out. Like the
fact that like, you know,

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Sean Murray: You can only
imagine that feeling?

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Johny Fernandez: Yeah. Like
you're my heart sank, because

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it's like, eight years worth of
content, this guy is gone. So

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Sean Murray: But that can happen
on Instagram, too. Yeah, I think

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people to put too much of an
emphasis on building up their

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Instagram, or building up their
Facebook account. Yeah. And at

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the end of the day, those
platforms will decide whether or

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not you can be there. Yeah, you
might say something that later

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Johny Fernandez: Yeah.

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on is offensive to them. Or they
might find that how you're

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monetizing. It is contrary to
your to their own business.

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Yeah. And so like here with
deBanked, where we have social

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media channels, but our goal
isn't to send people to

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Instagram, to our Instagram
page, we have we have one, or to

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our Facebook page or LinkedIn
page, or whatever. We want you

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guys to come to deBanked.com to
consume the content. So when

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we're out on social media, we're
putting, we're putting little

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feelers out there for you to
come back to our site.

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debanked.com we want to have a
direct relationship with you.

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And we want to control we want
to control the our, you know our

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own content, and be the master
of our own domain. That's why we

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haven't been building a YouTube
channel what happened to Coindesk

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it just reinforced
everything that I was already

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afraid of. Yeah, we might not
get as much engagement by being

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off of YouTube. But I think in
the long run, it's the right

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decision.