00:00.750 --> 00:03.060 Allyson Berger: In the fall of 2008, borrowing money from a 00:03.060 --> 00:06.450 bank became almost impossible. Markets crashed and credit 00:06.450 --> 00:10.170 froze. Hardworking people all around the country who depended 00:10.170 --> 00:13.170 on the accessibility of credit were left wondering if there was 00:13.170 --> 00:16.560 an alternative. Hi there, I'm Allyson Berger, and in this 00:16.560 --> 00:19.620 episode, I'm going to tell you about the rise and fall of peer 00:19.620 --> 00:20.310 to peer lending. 00:31.380 --> 00:33.810 When banks stopped lending during the Great Recession, 00:33.840 --> 00:36.750 people looked to their peers for help, whether that was friends 00:36.750 --> 00:41.070 or family, but asking for a loan from your peers can be awkward, 00:41.100 --> 00:44.910 uncomfortable and oftentimes ineffective. I mean, would your 00:44.910 --> 00:47.040 network of friends feel comfortable giving you a loan 00:47.040 --> 00:49.620 just so you could consolidate your existing debts at a lower 00:49.620 --> 00:53.670 interest rate? It sounds weird. Well, two San Francisco based 00:53.670 --> 00:56.520 startups believed they had the answer for that. What if your 00:56.520 --> 00:59.460 peers were simply strangers who wanted to help other strangers 00:59.460 --> 01:03.060 accomplish goals just like that? And voila, peer to peer lending 01:03.060 --> 01:03.660 was born. 01:03.930 --> 01:05.850 Sean Murray: The first two well known peer to peer lenders in 01:05.850 --> 01:09.990 the United States were Prosper Marketplace and Lending Club and 01:09.990 --> 01:13.230 Prosper was founded first, but Lending Club became much larger. 01:13.560 --> 01:17.040 I first encountered the concept at the very end of 2008. I was 01:17.040 --> 01:19.140 working in finance where a lot of my colleagues and I saw 01:19.140 --> 01:21.840 firsthand how much credit had dried up. The whole idea that 01:21.840 --> 01:24.180 you can lend money to other individuals through a website, 01:24.240 --> 01:26.760 and that that website would take care of all the work for you was 01:26.760 --> 01:30.060 really enticing. There could also be a pretty nice return. I 01:30.060 --> 01:32.280 didn't get into it at that time. But I know a few people that 01:32.280 --> 01:32.580 did. 01:32.940 --> 01:34.950 Allyson Berger: After Lending Club and Prosper worked out the 01:34.950 --> 01:37.470 kinks with the Securities and Exchange Commission, both 01:37.470 --> 01:40.650 companies took off. The Harvard Business Review called peer to 01:40.650 --> 01:44.370 peer lending one of the top breakthrough ideas for 2009. And 01:44.370 --> 01:48.240 by 2010, blogs and forums began to sprout up on the web to 01:48.240 --> 01:51.210 spread the gospel of earning a nice return by lending to your 01:51.210 --> 01:52.000 peers. 01:52.000 --> 01:54.390 Sean Murray: As far as mainstream acceptance goes, peer 01:54.390 --> 01:57.330 to peer lending grew slowly at first. I first wrote about it in 01:57.330 --> 02:02.460 2010. But it wasn't until 2013, things really shifted gears. It 02:02.460 --> 02:05.700 went from blogs and forums to the industry actually having a 02:05.700 --> 02:08.130 conference in New York City. The called it LendIt. 02:08.370 --> 02:10.740 Allyson Berger: The first LendIt took place here at Convene in 02:10.740 --> 02:13.950 midtown Manhattan. LendIt's founders told deBanked that the 02:13.950 --> 02:17.520 place was packed, they had more than 400 people registered and a 02:17.520 --> 02:20.700 line that literally ran out the door. Although the place was 02:20.700 --> 02:23.820 only designed to hold 200 people, they managed to squeeze 02:23.820 --> 02:25.170 in 375. 02:25.470 --> 02:27.480 Sean Murray: So I heard about this show and I was like, oh, 02:27.480 --> 02:30.330 wow, I probably should have been there. You know what, let me 02:30.330 --> 02:32.910 open up an account on one of these platforms and try it out 02:32.910 --> 02:37.170 for myself. So January 2014, I opened up an investor account at 02:37.170 --> 02:40.650 Lending Club and put in $500. I just wanted to learn everything 02:40.650 --> 02:43.860 about it. I wasn't thinking about investing yet because I'm 02:43.860 --> 02:47.160 a really conservative investor. And I feel like a lot more trust 02:47.160 --> 02:50.580 was needed for me to really get comfortable, something that 02:50.580 --> 02:52.170 signaled that this is all for real. 02:52.540 --> 02:55.870 Allyson Berger: On December 10 2014, Lending Club went public 02:55.870 --> 02:59.560 on the New York Stock Exchange and was valued at $8.5 billion. 03:00.100 --> 03:03.130 By the end of the first day of trading, Lending Club stock was 03:03.130 --> 03:06.670 up over 50%, as people saw the company as the wave of the 03:06.670 --> 03:07.210 future. 03:07.240 --> 03:10.330 Sean Murray: 2014 was a big year in financial technology, 03:10.360 --> 03:14.200 FinTech, peer to peer lending. I went to the 2014 LendIt 03:14.200 --> 03:16.930 Conference. I read the Lending Club IPO documents and I was 03:16.930 --> 03:20.350 like, "Yeah, I get this, I'm totally in." Let me break it 03:20.350 --> 03:22.630 down for you: you really don't need to put in that much money 03:22.630 --> 03:25.000 to make a go of investing on the platform because you could 03:25.000 --> 03:29.500 contribute as little as $25 per loan. So with that initial $500 03:29.530 --> 03:34.150 I put in, I spread it out across 20 loans at $25 each. And as 03:34.150 --> 03:37.240 those loans paid back, with the money I got from it, I put that 03:37.240 --> 03:41.620 money back into new loans. And honestly over time, I invested 03:41.620 --> 03:44.590 into a lot more loans and put a lot more money onto the 03:44.590 --> 03:45.220 platform. 03:45.670 --> 03:47.260 Off Camera: How much did you ultimately invest? 03:48.160 --> 03:50.740 Sean Murray: Honestly? A hundred grand. 03:51.200 --> 03:54.170 And I put in some money with Prosper too, but not that much. 03:54.530 --> 03:57.410 And my returns seemed okay, it wasn't as much as what everyone 03:57.410 --> 04:01.220 else was talking about, wasn't getting double digit returns, 04:01.280 --> 04:04.790 but I was okay with them. But Lending Club, Lending Club was 04:04.790 --> 04:09.980 on fire. They put out $16 billion by the end of 2015. I 04:09.980 --> 04:12.830 mean, everyone was getting into peer to peer lending, everyone. 04:13.250 --> 04:16.400 And then 2016 happened and it was like a bomb went off. The 04:16.400 --> 04:19.250 CEO of Lending Club resigned in a big scandal. 04:19.460 --> 04:22.220 News Report: A shake up in the financial industry as Lending 04:22.220 --> 04:27.170 Club's stock drops 26% on news, the company's CEO Renaud 04:27.170 --> 04:29.060 Laplanche is stepping down. 04:29.090 --> 04:31.310 Sean Murray: So I suppose it could have been worse, because I 04:31.310 --> 04:35.090 didn't lose my investment. But I definitely lost that trust that 04:35.090 --> 04:37.970 had been built up. And that was the beginning of the end for me 04:38.120 --> 04:41.090 and I think for a lot of people in general with peer to peer 04:41.090 --> 04:42.890 lending. The trust was shaken. 04:43.250 --> 04:45.500 And then of course you had all the big banks that were sitting 04:45.500 --> 04:48.200 on the sidelines, like "Hey, why are you letting all these 04:48.230 --> 04:51.230 average Joes hog up all the good return?!" And Wall Street 04:51.230 --> 04:53.000 just jumped in from all sides. 04:53.120 --> 04:55.220 Allyson Berger: A few months later, Goldman Sachs unveiled a 04:55.220 --> 04:58.910 rival lending product, small personal loans for individuals. 04:59.270 --> 05:02.210 Their aim was to disrupt the peer to peer lending market, 05:02.480 --> 05:04.460 they called their loan company Marcus. 05:04.630 --> 05:07.330 Sean Murray: 2016 was basically a wake up call for everybody. 05:07.810 --> 05:11.830 You had Wall Street institutions competing against average Joes 05:11.980 --> 05:15.310 to invest in the same loan. And then you had Wall Street on the 05:15.310 --> 05:18.910 other side, telling your customer not to take the loan 05:19.090 --> 05:22.360 that you were going to invest in. And it's like, whoa, wait a 05:22.360 --> 05:25.150 minute, this is like a high stakes Wall Street game here. 05:25.390 --> 05:28.510 We're like a long way from peer to peer lending. This isn't 05:28.510 --> 05:32.350 peers helping peers anymore. And then there was talk about 05:32.350 --> 05:34.540 whether or not the platforms were even calculating the 05:34.540 --> 05:37.450 percentage returns correctly and it's like, okay, let's just take 05:37.450 --> 05:41.440 a step back, I don't think the returns match the risk anymore. 05:41.650 --> 05:45.040 Allyson Berger: By the end of 2017, less than 10% of the money 05:45.040 --> 05:47.800 Lending Club was lending out to borrowers was coming from 05:47.800 --> 05:50.680 individual peer investors managing their own accounts. 05:50.710 --> 05:53.740 Banks had become the largest investors on the platform. By 05:53.740 --> 05:56.500 the end of 2018, peers made up less than 6%. 05:57.080 --> 05:59.090 Sean Murray: I saw the writing on the wall. I literally wrote 05:59.090 --> 06:01.670 an article in July 2016 that said, "peer to peer 06:01.670 --> 06:04.640 lending is deader than dead." There have been other platforms 06:04.640 --> 06:07.580 out there... peer to peer for business loans, peer to peer for 06:07.580 --> 06:10.910 real estate, peer to peer for this, for that, but I think in 06:10.910 --> 06:14.840 the United States, the emotional aspect of peers helping peers 06:14.900 --> 06:17.540 and the purity of what peer to peer lending was supposed to be, 06:17.660 --> 06:21.260 I think that was long gone. In February 2020, Lending Club, for 06:21.260 --> 06:24.440 example, announced they were buying a bank. Peer to peer 06:24.440 --> 06:27.380 lending was supposed to replace bank lending. It was supposed to 06:27.410 --> 06:30.890 disrupt it. And now here we are going from peer to peer lending 06:31.280 --> 06:35.180 back to bank lending. It's really kind of ironic. Peer to 06:35.180 --> 06:39.290 peer lending really had a good 15 year run, but at its peak, it 06:39.290 --> 06:42.500 was only really popular for about three to four years. 06:42.710 --> 06:45.110 Allyson Berger: On October 7 of this year, Lending Club 06:45.110 --> 06:48.020 announced it was ending the retail investor aspects of its 06:48.020 --> 06:51.560 lending platform for good to focus on their plans of becoming 06:51.560 --> 06:54.920 a bank. That will close the door once and for all, for all peer 06:54.920 --> 06:58.220 to peer lending with Lending Club and for many the era of 06:58.220 --> 07:01.430 peer to peer lending. So that's all for now. Until next time, 07:01.460 --> 07:02.570 I'm Allyson Berger.